Yesterday we get this...
Nazri: OK to use ‘Allah’ in East Malaysia
and we happy:)
But today, we get this...
Jakim says ‘Allah’ ban must include Sabah and Sarawak
We have been using the word centuries ago, its part of us. How to change?
Nazri: OK to use ‘Allah’ in East Malaysia
and we happy:)
But today, we get this...
Jakim says ‘Allah’ ban must include Sabah and Sarawak
We have been using the word centuries ago, its part of us. How to change?
See? I told you so, that we're watching a show everyday.
Tomorrow what? BM only for Malays?
LOL!
Tomorrow what? BM only for Malays?
LOL!
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And broken english for the chinese roflolmao xD
Haha! Good idea:p
it's the fact that Allah is in Arabic and it's very doubtful when the Herald only used the word Allah in Malay section of the tabloid instead of all sections.
This somehow turned into provocation towards the Muslim in Malaysia who have been using Allah to refer to the God.
The word Tuhan existed for other religion. Yes, there're freedom of speech and freedom of choosing your own belief in Malaysia but you can't think in one perspective.
We do have to be open minded. Let's treat a religion as a lady. When the lady get touched by some guy, some other guys will get angry to the guy who touched the girl for they're either her husband, her cousin, her brother, or her father.
That's what Herald's doing. In the eyes of a true Muslim, we know what's right and what's wrong. But we're afraid that the young generations who are easily diverted to have a rough time understanding their own religion. In this case, Islam.
Christians "own" the word Jesus, Christ, and many other words. Why can't Christians leave Islam's reserved word alone and respect the path we have taken?
Think bright, don't think side.
Think God, not politics.
Is that word reserved for Islam alone? Maybe that only happens in Malaysia.
Allah means God in Arabic, just like 'Elohim' in Hebrew. Just a different in language. Then how do the Arabic Christian call God? They uses Allah too.
In Sabah and Sarawak, our Bibles are mainly from Indonesia and they uses Allah too.
Sometimes it's just about politics:)
The aborigines in Sabah and Sarawak and even in Indonesia were Christianized by the westerners when they came here. They wanted to translate the Bible so that the locals can understand what is said. The word Allah was used to denote God in the Bible. It has been the way for centuries.
Now, our government says it cannot be the way. But Christians that still worship God in the local language still refer to God as Allah. You'd expect them to change a tradition played on for centuries? If you want more "why not to", read this
http://www.themalaysianinsider.com/index.php/opinion/breaking-views/48629-allah-cant-be-substituted-with-tuhan-in-bible-translation--dr-ng-kam-weng
The word cannot be reserved for Islam alone. Definitely. You have proved your point by saying that it is used in other countries. There's no point saying "We're in Malaysia. We're different". There's no two types of Islam in the world.
There're evidences in the Quran in Aal-Imran 3:64 and al-Ankabut 29:46. So I don't see how this is against Islam. Unless I misinterpreted the Quran.
About the government's stand that Muslim's will be confused. Well, there are so many channels where Islam is already discussed. So many channels on Astro, National television and newspapers to which everyone, not just Muslims use. That's on top of the Friday sermons. If you are afraid that Islam is going to be challenged by 10% of the population of Malaysia, why don't you teach strong sound teaching of Islam on these already established channels? Why can't you educate parents more so that they can teach their kids the true meaning of Islam and not let the kids live on the faith of their parents?
I really don't understand how a faith in God, especially one that is practiced by 60% of the Malaysian population can be confused by the faith practiced by less than 10% of the Malaysian population. Muslims in this country has the majority in numbers and resources(that non-muslims don't have).
What I really don't get is also the faith of our government leaders. As a Christian, I have enough faith, that even though people may leave the faith for various reasons, I can stand strong and say my belief in Christ that He came and died for my sins and rose again to be my Lord and Saviour is true. That this happened historically and that this belief will stand firm like a house built on a rock. That's where my faith stands. If our government leaders have faith, they too will have enough faith that Islam will stand the test of time and the test of change. That the message of Islam is firm like a house built on a rock. It will not be confused, neither will it need the protection of mere mortals who really cannot do anything as you see on our newspapers everyday.
To the Christian, this is where we stand(it's really similar to where Muslims stand). If we let others monopolize our faith by telling us what not to do, the next thing you know, churches will be burnt(wait..that already happened), and the freedom of our worship in Malaysia will be threatened.
Why this is a political agenda? Why is this blown into proportion during a time when cases such as the Teoh Beng Hock case, the missing jet engines, are still ongoing? Why would the government endorse protests suddenly when other protestors were fired with tear gas and sprayed with water? Come on. Whatever that is going on in Malaysia is a political agenda. If it was purely religious, I'd say the government should stick its nose out of it and let the religious leaders debate about it. Let it settle between the two religions, between world renown leaders. Why settle between government and religious leaders?
We certainly can debate this at a pure religious level, but be wary that whatever that is going on is a political agenda.
I'm about to blow my credibility.
At a very personal level, I think that it's really unnecessary to debate about this(I still feel the arguments for it to be banned is completely rubbish). The Catholic Church should leave this agenda behind. The Catholic Church needs to realise that it isn't them that does the conversion, or who speaks the message of truth-it is the Holy Spirit. As I said my stand in my faith is God is firm. I believe in One God, who sent His Son to die for my sins, and rose again to be my Lord. I believe He is greater than anything or anyone. He will bring a revival to Malaysia. He will do the work of bringing all to know Him and to know His glory. Compromising on Tuhan or Allah is really nothing for Him. For He is greater than all of these. At my deathbed, I just want to see Him. And I want all to know Him. I don't care whether it's Tuhan or Allah, He is my Lord and He is the Lord of all.
I don't even think He is happy with debates over this. But then again, I cannot dictate God.
Sorry Jin Kiat,you asked for my personal opinion. =)
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@JK -
Simply about how in Malaysia, something not supposed to be in public are used in public will definitely be an issue. The reserved words I talk about refers to what we already used to say in public.
@KW -
You guys been calling Lord(Tuhan) Jesus for such long time in Malaysian community and that shouldn't be a subject to change. Why bother by definition? Because each of us do have our own definition of faith, peace, love and understanding.
Yes we do have a lot of Islamic channels. But we are also living in multi-religion community. Real-life influences are way much more powerful than mass media.
It's not about the bigger population against smaller population. It's simply about how way of life in Malaysia's slowly changing and soon will cause the young generations to get confused between right and wrong IN ISLAMIC PERSPECTIVE. In human perspective, a girl not wearing enough cloth is their own business not noticing anything wrong of it while in Islamic perspective, it's unacceptable and is considered as sinful. Do you feel me man?
Minorities don't need to preach every majorities to change but simply changing the lifestyle and wait patiently.
I do see no reason to fight over this. I still accepted the fact that the Herald only used the word Allah only in papers circulating among Christians but a sensitive issue still and always be a sensitive issue because as Malaysians, we have strong belief towards our religion unlike other countries. If you don't like the situation here you can go to other country who actually already accepted non-Muslim to use the word Allah.
Hey, we're not fighting over here. Just want to see point of view from 2 different religions background :)
Hmm... and why is that only certain Muslims parties in Malaysia are against this?
Just asking, Arabs don't have strong belief towards their religion? So non-Muslims allowed to use Allah?
Sorry thatisazam, I don't really get what you're trying to say. But I'll try to give a reply to things that I understand.
I did explain that the term used in the Malaysian community has been Allah for a long time as well, in fact, before our independence. So I don't understand the first paragraph.
About the mass media's influence, I get the analogy. But the 'human perspective' that you perceive and 'not noticing anything wrong' comes from the general public's sheer ignorance about other people's beliefs. Can you elaborate more on how real-life influences are much more powerful than the mass media?
The way I see it is to get rid of the problem at its root which is ignorance. Only so few people understand what other people believe and respect that. It is not only a problem in Malaysia, in fact everywhere people are too caught up in their own culture that they don't care about the culture of others. Especially in a first world country. heh. I still think that the only solution to confusion is to educate them properly. If not by their parents, if not, by the religious teachers, if not, by the school system(with the Islamic courses), if not by the mass media. The cycle basically goes around.
At the end of the day, people only get confused with religion because they want to be the god of their own lives. They think that religion is useless simply because they can't live up to the standards that God has given. It is a personal conviction and I'm not just talking about Christianity. Telling a girl you must wear enough clothing to cover up the aurat doesn't mean anything unless you explain the context and reason behind it.
If you mean becoming confused between the laws of Islam and the laws of Christianity because the same word is used for God, why should you be afraid of that? Isn't it true, that if Islam is real, it would withstand any test. That is true faith and conviction, no? The same would go for Christianity. Isn't true faith to stand up for the fact that you believe in God, nothing can change it? The eleven disciples of Jesus were willing to be brutally murdered because of the Gospel.
I'm sorry, I just highly disagree that confusion should be the main reason why the word Allah should not be used by Christians.
Minorities don't need to preach every majorities to change but simply changing the lifestyle and wait patiently. erm..please elaborate.
I would ask the same question Jin Kiat asked about having a strong belief to their religion.
I don't agree with the last sentence. I love being in Malaysia, in fact I miss it so much now. To be honest, I can't stand people who chase me away from my country because I don't agree with how things are run in the country.(also recall Dato' Paduka Haji Badruddin bin Amiruldin from Jerai and many UMNO leaders who supported him) Selfishness has led to what Malaysia is today. I am as much of a citizen as you or any other person who is born in Malaysia. I have a right to say I want change. People who leave Malaysia for greener pastures overseas still treat Malaysia as home. It's not that they have abandoned Malaysia, it's that they have been let down so many times by our government's selfishness.
And Jin Kiat, we're not fighting la. We just disagree at many levels. =) haha..I miss you la..come online more often la.
I agree with the 6th paragraph. The truth will be always there, nothing could ever change it. Why worry when your religion is being challenge? God will be the judge to those who are against Him.
And also, I do hope for a change in our country. Based on the condition now, people are just leaving and we're just losing the good ones. This country is just being... badly corrupted!
ui.you're online ah..
Just post the comment and went tidur. Didn't really online.
Ai ya... our time not ngam one.
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